Practising what comes next - podcast interview

A couple of weeks ago, I had the pleasure of chatting for I think the third time with the folks on the Sustainable Hour podcast.

Previously, I'd talked with them about politics, and about my book. I don't think any of us were quite prepared for where this conversation took us, but it was really great!

If you're after a dive into where my head is at right now - thinking about practising the skills we need for the world that comes next to emerge; about being at least as much as doing; about letting go of the "no longer" as we create the space for the "not yet" - do have a listen.

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The Sustainable Hour no. 607 | Transcript | Podcast notes

I really enjoyed this chat. I hope you do, too.

Under a blue sky, standing on red dust in front of a sacred buri (fire), I am being smoked in by Gurridyula (long hair on the right) and his brothers.

"No permission. Not a protest. We're just here."

On the transformative experience of being on country "What started as a task to stop a mine has evolved into a quest for freedom for my clan with the now 5 year old Autonomous tribal clan estate of Waddananggu." Gurridyula (Coedie) MacAvoy Time moves differently on country. When

A deep winter blue sky, with mostly dead twisted limbs of a snow gum weaving into it, and one living limb swirling through

Oh, the periphery (they throw good parties there)

Brief thoughts on letting go of the centre's hold And if he finds himself yearning For his throne on the silly side Nothing wrong as long as he's learning Going for a walk under the lovely blue sky, trying to wrap my head around the various

Bright, golden wattle in full bloom against a deep blue sky

Oh, wattle we do, now?

On stopping to love the flowers in a world on fire I'm riding home from a meeting. My mind is bouncing around between what we just discussed that I need to get on with doing and some annoying bureaucracy I have to push through so I can get

A yellowing page with fading black print - the top third of the Declaration of Independence

The pursuit of happiness?

They've all come to look for America "Kathy, I'm lost", I said, though I knew she was sleeping I'm empty and aching and I don't know why What do you get for the Empire that has everything, on its 250th

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"No permission. Not a protest. We're just here."

Oh, the periphery (they throw good parties there)

Oh, wattle we do, now?

The pursuit of happiness?